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+---
+status: open
+opened: 2026-09-05
+located-in: [mesh-control, mesh-catalog]
+fixed-by:
+amended-design:
+---
+
+# The mesh's derived login does not fit every backend's identity rules — S3 rejects it
+
+## What was observed
+
+Proving the provider/consumer contract per backend (ADR 0053), redis and postgres passed: a
+consumer authenticated against the provider with the login the mesh derived and the password
+the mesh minted. **minio failed**, and not on the credential — on the *name*:
+
+```
+mc: <ERROR> Unable to add a new service account. The access key is invalid.
+    (access key length should be between 3 and 20).
+```
+
+The mesh derives a consumer's login as `mesh_<node>_<module>` — here `mesh_anchor_bucketuser`,
+22 characters. That is a valid postgres role and a valid redis ACL user, so those providers
+create it verbatim. S3 access keys are capped at **20 characters**, so minio refuses to create
+the service account under it, and the provisioner retries forever while the consumer, holding
+that same too-long access key, could never present it either.
+
+## Why it matters beyond this instance
+
+ADR 0053 says a provider creates *exactly* the login the mesh derived, so that the two ends
+agree by construction — the mesh hands the same name to the provider (to create) and the
+consumer (to present). That only holds if the derived name is one every provider can accept.
+It is not: the mesh's `as` is a single format with no knowledge of a backend's identity rules,
+and S3's are stricter than a database's. Any provider whose backend constrains identifiers more
+tightly than postgres — a length cap, a charset, a required prefix — inherits this, and the
+failure lands at provision time, per consumer, as an infinite retry rather than a refusal at
+assignment.
+
+This also shows the seam is real, not cosmetic: `as` is doing two jobs — a stable per-consumer
+identity the two ends must agree on, and a literal identifier a specific backend must accept —
+and those are not always the same string.
+
+## The shape of a fix (open, not decided)
+
+- **Constrain the derivation** so `as` is broadly acceptable — short (≤ 20), a conservative
+  charset, deterministic. This keeps "the provider creates exactly what the mesh derived" true
+  everywhere, at the cost of a less legible name, and it is a mesh-wide identity change (every
+  provider that already created the longer name would see it change).
+- **Let a provider map `as` to a backend-valid identifier** it derives the same way on create
+  and on the consumer's behalf — but the consumer is generic and cannot run minio's mapping, so
+  this only works if the mapped identifier is *delivered back* to the consumer. That is the
+  data-provision return path this era keeps meeting (umami's siteId, cloudflare's record) and
+  does not yet have.
+- **Declare the constraint on the interface** (`s3-bucket` states its identifier bounds) and
+  have the mesh derive within them — the most honest, the most work.
+
+## Open questions
+
+- Is `as` meant to be human-legible, or is a short opaque token acceptable — i.e., can the
+  derivation simply be shortened without anyone minding?
+- Do redis/postgres actually want the long name, or did it only survive because they are
+  permissive? If nothing needs it long, the cheap fix is to cap it.
+- Does this fold into the same decision as the data-provision return path, or is it separate?