diff --git a/modules/mesh-delivery-gate/cmd/mesh-delivery-gate/groupsaid_test.go b/modules/mesh-delivery-gate/cmd/mesh-delivery-gate/groupsaid_test.go
new file mode 100644
index 00000000..ce07127c
--- /dev/null
+++ b/modules/mesh-delivery-gate/cmd/mesh-delivery-gate/groupsaid_test.go
@@ -0,0 +1,35 @@
+package main
+
+import (
+	"strings"
+	"testing"
+)
+
+// A member that joins a group whose state stays checking is said on mesh/delivery-group, and the members already there
+// read the new count: on 2026-10-30 mesh-catalog #571 joined a group of three at 21:59, and the forge kept saying
+// "3 of 3 member(s) ready" of the group of four, since the line was written again only when the state changed.
+func TestAGroupSaysAJoiningMember(t *testing.T) {
+	w := newWorld(t)
+	const ctlHead, catHead, hostHead = "c1c1c1c1c1c1c1c1", "d2d2d2d2d2d2d2d2", "e3e3e3e3e3e3e3e3"
+	w.h.PullUpdated(pr("novox/mesh-controller", 1, ctlHead, "feat/x", "internal/a.go"))
+	w.h.PullUpdated(pr("novox/mesh-catalog", 2, catHead, "feat/x", "modules/app/module.json"))
+	w.h.Checked(verdict("novox/mesh-controller", 1, ctlHead, "pass"))
+	w.settleAll()
+	first := w.forge.statuses["novox/mesh-controller@"+ctlHead+" mesh/delivery-group"]
+	if !strings.Contains(first, "1 of 2") {
+		t.Fatalf("before the join the group says %q, want 1 of 2", first)
+	}
+	w.h.PullUpdated(pr("novox/mesh-host", 3, hostHead, "feat/x", "cmd/a.go"))
+	w.settleAll()
+	g := w.h.groups["feat/x"]
+	st, why := GroupState(g, w.h.membersOf(g))
+	for _, c := range []struct{ name, key, want string }{
+		{"a member already there", "novox/mesh-controller@" + ctlHead, "1 of 3"},
+		{"the member that joined", "novox/mesh-host@" + hostHead, "1 of 3"},
+	} {
+		s := w.forge.statuses[c.key+" mesh/delivery-group"]
+		if !strings.Contains(s, c.want) {
+			t.Errorf("%s: mesh/delivery-group says %q while the group is %s (%s); want %q", c.name, s, st, why, c.want)
+		}
+	}
+}
diff --git a/modules/mesh-delivery-gate/cmd/mesh-delivery-gate/holder.go b/modules/mesh-delivery-gate/cmd/mesh-delivery-gate/holder.go
index 8ba98d5c..74de7916 100644
--- a/modules/mesh-delivery-gate/cmd/mesh-delivery-gate/holder.go
+++ b/modules/mesh-delivery-gate/cmd/mesh-delivery-gate/holder.go
@@ -1071,8 +1071,10 @@ func (h *Holder) planGroup(g *Group, members []*Delivery, now time.Time) []func(
 	if held {
 		reviewSaid = why
 	}
-	if state != g.Said || status != g.SaidStatus || reviewSaid != g.SaidReview {
-		g.Said, g.SaidStatus, g.SaidReview = state, status, reviewSaid
+	saidMembers := strings.Join(sortedIDs(members), " ")
+	if state != g.Said || status != g.SaidStatus || reviewSaid != g.SaidReview || why != g.SaidWhy ||
+		saidMembers != g.SaidMembers {
+		g.Said, g.SaidStatus, g.SaidReview, g.SaidWhy, g.SaidMembers = state, status, reviewSaid, why, saidMembers
 		for _, d := range members {
 			g.Owed = append(g.Owed, Effect{Kind: EffectStatus, Commit: d.Commit, Context: "mesh/delivery-group",
 				State: status, Line: clip(fmt.Sprintf("group %s %s: %s", g.ID, state, why), 140),
diff --git a/modules/mesh-delivery-gate/cmd/mesh-delivery-gate/model.go b/modules/mesh-delivery-gate/cmd/mesh-delivery-gate/model.go
index 05e86510..434a3822 100644
--- a/modules/mesh-delivery-gate/cmd/mesh-delivery-gate/model.go
+++ b/modules/mesh-delivery-gate/cmd/mesh-delivery-gate/model.go
@@ -366,8 +366,13 @@ type Group struct {
 	SaidStatus string `json:"said_status,omitempty"`
 	// SaidReview is the wait for a review last said of the group while it was held for one (ADR 0496 §2): a change of
 	// the members still waiting is said too, though the state did not change.
-	SaidReview string   `json:"said_review,omitempty"`
-	Owed       []Effect `json:"owed,omitempty"`
+	SaidReview string `json:"said_review,omitempty"`
+	// SaidWhy and SaidMembers are the why and the member ids (each names its head) last said: a member joining, leaving or
+	// pushing, or a count in the why moving, is said too, though the state did not change (2026-10-30: a group of four
+	// said "3 of 3 member(s) ready" for ten minutes, and the member that joined had no mesh/delivery-group at all).
+	SaidWhy     string   `json:"said_why,omitempty"`
+	SaidMembers string   `json:"said_members,omitempty"`
+	Owed        []Effect `json:"owed,omitempty"`
 }
 
 // GroupHold is a group held back from its Approve or its merge because a member's required status is not a success.
@@ -404,6 +409,16 @@ func commitsOf(ds []*Delivery) map[string]string {
 	return out
 }
 
+// sortedIDs are the members' ids (repository@head), sorted.
+func sortedIDs(ds []*Delivery) []string {
+	out := make([]string, 0, len(ds))
+	for _, d := range ds {
+		out = append(out, d.ID)
+	}
+	sort.Strings(out)
+	return out
+}
+
 // sameMembers is whether two member→commit maps are one.
 func sameMembers(a, b map[string]string) bool {
 	if len(a) != len(b) {