diff --git a/cmd/mesh-controller/modules.go b/cmd/mesh-controller/modules.go
index 2a91408..f49965c 100644
--- a/cmd/mesh-controller/modules.go
+++ b/cmd/mesh-controller/modules.go
@@ -147,6 +147,36 @@ func moduleCommand(ctx context.Context, args []string) error {
 		if err != nil {
 			return err
 		}
+		// **The same list, for something other than a person** (novox/hq ADR 0195): what each module
+		// is, where it runs, whether it is current, and what it says of itself.
+		if len(args) > 1 && args[1] == "--json" {
+			type listed struct {
+				Module       string   `json:"module"`
+				Version      string   `json:"version"`
+				Built        string   `json:"built,omitempty"`
+				Head         string   `json:"head,omitempty"`
+				Current      bool     `json:"current"`
+				Provided     bool     `json:"provided,omitempty"`
+				On           []string `json:"on"`
+				Provides     []string `json:"provides,omitempty"`
+				Requires     []string `json:"requires,omitempty"`
+				Claims       []string `json:"claims,omitempty"`
+				Capabilities []string `json:"capabilities,omitempty"`
+			}
+			out := make([]listed, 0, len(entries))
+			for _, e := range entries {
+				m := e.Manifest
+				l := listed{Module: m.Module, Version: m.Version, Built: e.Source.BuiltFrom, Head: e.Source.Head,
+					Current: e.Provided || e.Source.Repository == "" || e.Source.Current(), Provided: e.Provided,
+					On: append([]string{}, e.On...), Provides: m.Offers(), Requires: m.Requires,
+					Capabilities: m.Capabilities}
+				for _, c := range m.Claims {
+					l.Claims = append(l.Claims, c.At()+"/"+c.Name)
+				}
+				out = append(out, l)
+			}
+			return printJSON(out)
+		}
 		if len(entries) == 0 {
 			fmt.Println("this mesh knows about no modules yet")
 			return nil
diff --git a/cmd/mesh-controller/nodes.go b/cmd/mesh-controller/nodes.go
index fe96b48..04a38e4 100644
--- a/cmd/mesh-controller/nodes.go
+++ b/cmd/mesh-controller/nodes.go
@@ -2,6 +2,7 @@ package main
 
 import (
 	"context"
+	"encoding/json"
 	"errors"
 	"flag"
 	"fmt"
@@ -44,6 +45,21 @@ func nodeCommand(ctx context.Context, args []string) error {
 		if err != nil {
 			return err
 		}
+		// **The same list, for something other than a person** — the console's discovery reads it
+		// (novox/hq ADR 0195), and a reader that parses a printed column breaks when it is reworded.
+		if len(args) > 1 && args[1] == "--json" {
+			type listed struct {
+				Name  string `json:"name"`
+				Heard string `json:"heard"`
+				Mode  string `json:"mode"`
+				ID    string `json:"id"`
+			}
+			out := make([]listed, 0, len(nodes))
+			for _, n := range nodes {
+				out = append(out, listed{Name: n.Name, Heard: heardFrom(n), Mode: modeOf(n), ID: n.ID})
+			}
+			return printJSON(out)
+		}
 		if len(nodes) == 0 {
 			// Said rather than printed as nothing: an empty list and a failed read must never
 			// look the same, and this command answering "none" is only honest because getting
@@ -500,3 +516,13 @@ func orNotReported(s string) string {
 	}
 	return s
 }
+
+// printJSON prints a value as indented JSON, the shape every `--json` answers in.
+func printJSON(v any) error {
+	body, err := json.MarshalIndent(v, "", "  ")
+	if err != nil {
+		return err
+	}
+	fmt.Println(string(body))
+	return nil
+}
diff --git a/cmd/mesh-controller/seatverbs.go b/cmd/mesh-controller/seatverbs.go
index 85d3fe3..b39fb61 100644
--- a/cmd/mesh-controller/seatverbs.go
+++ b/cmd/mesh-controller/seatverbs.go
@@ -66,14 +66,14 @@ func argvFor(verb string, args map[string]any) ([]string, error) {
 	case "status":
 		return []string{"status", "--json"}, nil
 	case "nodes":
-		return []string{"node", "list"}, nil
+		return []string{"node", "list", "--json"}, nil
 	case "node":
 		if err := need("node"); err != nil {
 			return nil, err
 		}
 		return []string{"node", "show", str("node")}, nil
 	case "modules":
-		return []string{"module", "list"}, nil
+		return []string{"module", "list", "--json"}, nil
 	case "seats":
 		return []string{"seats", "--json"}, nil
 	case "builds":
diff --git a/cmd/mesh-controller/seatverbs_test.go b/cmd/mesh-controller/seatverbs_test.go
index 95cb8ba..114a4f1 100644
--- a/cmd/mesh-controller/seatverbs_test.go
+++ b/cmd/mesh-controller/seatverbs_test.go
@@ -2,6 +2,7 @@ package main
 
 import (
 	"context"
+	"fmt"
 	"strings"
 	"testing"
 
@@ -249,3 +250,17 @@ func TestARowAheadOfThisBuildIsServedAnyway(t *testing.T) {
 		}
 	}
 }
+
+// novox/hq ADR 0195: the console's discovery reads the machines and the modules; they answer as JSON,
+// as status and seats do, so nothing parses a printed column.
+func TestTheNodesAndModulesVerbsAnswerAsJSON(t *testing.T) {
+	for verb, want := range map[string]string{"nodes": "[node list --json]", "modules": "[module list --json]"} {
+		argv, err := argvFor(verb, map[string]any{})
+		if err != nil {
+			t.Fatal(err)
+		}
+		if fmt.Sprint(argv) != want {
+			t.Errorf("%s runs %v, want %s", verb, argv, want)
+		}
+	}
+}