Issues 140 and 141: an endpoint's reach, and a forward chain that does not follow the modules #169
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status: open
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opened: 2026-09-28
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# 140 — An endpoint's reach is not declared, so three mechanisms each decide it separately
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## What was observed
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Preparing to converge the mesh's control-node — the last machine still running the firewall it
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had before the mesh — the question came up for one module: the forge serves git over ssh, and that
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port must stay reachable from outside the private network. Where is that said?
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The manifest declares the port with a source of `mesh`, so the derived filter would close it to
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everything but the private network. Looking for the place an assignment says otherwise, there are
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two per-node settings keys: one that gives a module's declared port a machine port, and one that
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overrides a declared port's source. The second has exactly one caller — the function that builds
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the node's filter rules. Nothing else in the control plane reads it.
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A module's routed endpoint is declared somewhere else entirely: a route contribution naming a label
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and a port. It says nothing about reach. The proxy composes a **public** name and an **internal**
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name for every route it is given, and obtains a certificate for each from a different authority.
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Measured on that machine the same day: an identity provider's public name signed by the public
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authority for 90 days, its internal name signed by the mesh's own intermediate for 24 hours and
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renewed daily. Both names exist, and both certificates, because the proxy makes every name it can.
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No assignment asked for either.
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So the forge's ssh endpoint has a firewall source and nothing else — no name, no certificate, and no
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way to say it should be public other than a key the filter alone reads. And the forge's web endpoint
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has two names and two certificates that nobody requested.
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## Why it matters beyond this instance
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**Reach is stated twice, in two vocabularies, in two places that cannot disagree out loud.** A port
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may be exposed to anywhere while the module contributes no public route; a public route may be served
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for a module whose own listen is private. Nothing reconciles the pair or refuses it. Each mechanism
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is separately defensible and the combination is unstated.
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**The vocabulary belongs to the filter, not to reachability.** *Public, internal, or both* cannot be
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expressed. A source of `anywhere` is one rule on one chain; it says nothing about which names should
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exist or which authority should sign them. So "this endpoint must not be public" has no way to be
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written, and is therefore enforced by nothing — while a public certificate for that very name is
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obtained automatically.
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**An endpoint is not a thing in the model.** A module has ports, and separately it has routes.
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Nothing binds a port to a name to a certificate, which is why three mechanisms each decide reach on
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their own and none of them is wrong. This is
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[ADR 0045](../../02-DECISIONS/0045-a-machine-firewall-is-the-sum-of-what-it-listens-on.md)'s fault
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one level up: that record closed "a declaration that reads as a restriction and restricts nothing"
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for the packet filter. Here the declaration is absent altogether and the mechanisms guess.
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**It blocks the certificate work.** The open question recorded for certificates — a name that must
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not be public needs either DNS-01 or the internal authority only — cannot be answered while no
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assignment states whether a name should be public. Neither can expiry reporting, revocation, or what
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happens to a name when a machine leaves: all of them need to know which names were *meant*.
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## Open questions
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- Should an assignment name each of a module's endpoints, bind it to a node-level port, and state
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whether it is reachable publicly, internally or both — with the filter, the proxy's names and the
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certificate authority all derived from that one statement?
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- What is an endpoint that is neither routed nor certified? Git over ssh is public reach with no name
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and no certificate; the model has to hold that without inventing one.
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- Are the two existing settings keys the same statement, half-built? If so, is this a new declaration
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or the completion of theirs?
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- Does an internal-only endpoint get a certificate at all, and from which authority — and does that
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settle [issue 129](../129-nothing-makes-a-machine-trust-the-meshs-authority/00-report.md), where nothing
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installs the mesh's own root?
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- Does declaring reach per assignment also settle
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[issue 139](../139-an-internal-route-name-resolves-to-the-consumers-node/00-report.md), where an
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internal name resolves to the consumer's machine instead of the one serving the endpoint?
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status: open
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opened: 2026-09-28
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located-in: []
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fixed-by:
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amended-design:
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# 141 — The forward chain does not follow the modules, though the modules declare their networks
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## What was observed
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[ADR 0137](../../02-DECISIONS/0137-a-machine-says-which-networks-it-routes.md), decided the same
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week, gave a machine a way to say which networks it routes for its guests, because the derived
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filter's forward chain had until then allowed two ranges named as constants in the control plane's
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own source — the container runtime's default bridge pool, and half of the pool its compose files
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are given.
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Checking the last machine still to be converged, the same fault was found to be live there, and the
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declaration needed to work around it turned out to be wrong in kind.
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That machine hosts twenty-one container networks. Nine fall inside the runtime's bridge pool and
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are forwarded. Twelve sit in the other private range, and **six of those fall below the lower bound
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of the constant**, so the flip would have cut their guests off exactly as it did on the workstation
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that produced 0137.
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Naming a range to cover the six was the obvious move, and is what 0137 provides for. But of those
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six networks, **four are networks the mesh's own modules declare** — they appear as network
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resources in the node's plan, created by the host because a module asked for them — and **two are
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leftovers of the predecessor**, compose networks of services the mesh does not run. A range wide
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enough to keep the four would have forwarded the two as well: a firewall widened by hand to protect
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networks that should not exist.
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The mesh already knows which of the twenty-one are its own. It made them.
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## Why it matters beyond this instance
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**The node's configuration is supposed to follow the modules assigned to it.** That is the mesh's
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founding shape — the machine runs modules, and its files, its filter and its accounts are composed
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from what runs there. The forward chain is the one derived thing that does not: it consults two
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constants and, since 0137, a list a person types. A module added tomorrow brings a network the filter
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will not forward; a module deprecated leaves a range in the list that outlives it.
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**A typed range cannot distinguish the mesh's networks from what was left behind.** It is stated in
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addresses, and addresses are what the runtime allocates, so the only honest declaration is one wide
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enough to include whatever else the runtime has handed out. The derivation is narrower than anything
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a person can safely write, because it names networks rather than ranges.
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**0137 rejected deriving this, and was right about what it rejected.** It considered deriving the
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list from *what the machine reports* and refused, on two grounds: a test bed creates its bridge
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between one declaration and the next, and a filter that follows whatever appeared on the machine is a
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firewall that widens itself. Deriving from the **declaration** is neither. The set is known before
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the network exists, because a module declared it; and it cannot widen itself, because only a network
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some module asked for is ever forwarded. What remains genuinely for a machine to say is guests no
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module declares — a test bed's pool — which is a much smaller residue than the list as it stands.
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**The gap is invisible in the one place that should show it.** The converge preview lists what
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*listens*, and routing is not a listener. It says in one line what the machine routes, and a reader
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has to know the runtime's allocations to tell whether that line is sufficient. On the machine
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measured here it read as though nothing needed saying.
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## Open questions
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- Should the forward chain be derived from the network resources the node's modules declare, with the
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host resolving each declared network to its address the way it already resolves a container by name?
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The controller cannot render the address itself: a module's network resource carries a name, and the
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runtime allocates the subnet at creation.
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- What remains of `node networks` once that exists — only guests no module declares, such as a test
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bed's pool? And should it then be named for that, rather than for all routing?
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- The runtime's own default bridge, which containers attach to when no module network is named, is
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not a module's network. Is it derived from the machine, declared by the module that owns the
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runtime, or left as the one constant?
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- Should the preview say which of a machine's networks are the mesh's and which are not, so a range
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that exists to protect a leftover is visible as such?
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